Wind Energy Question?

Ok,
Were learning about renewable energy in high school, and were now talking about wind energy and turbines and generators and so on and so forth.
Well I was wondering, If you have a small scale wind turbine (fully functional, a little larger than a desk fan) and you had it so that the electricity it made would make a fan (or another electrically powered wind source) turn. If you put that fan in front of the turbine, could it be like never ending?
Or would the generator in the turbine not produce enough electricity to run the fan?

I was wondering if it wold be possible to rig up a mini wind turbine on the top of a camper van so that when you are driving it would create energy to store in a battery.

Or would the extra energy needed to drive the van due, to the drag from the, any energy made by the turbine?

If so can you get mini camping turbines?

Thanks,
Martin.
Thanks for all your replies, they are great!

The plan is to use the turbine to charge a separate battery, not the actual one used to start the car. The second battery will then be used for music, laptop and other small electrical appliances.

I saw a guy on the UK version of Dragons Den who had a mini turbine but I was thinking that someone else must have done it already!

If anyone knows of any websites that sell them then that would be a great help too!

I look forward to your replies, thank you all so much!

Martin.

I was wondering if it wold be possible to rig up a mini wind turbine on the top of a camper van so that when you are driving it would create energy to store in a battery.

Or would the extra energy needed to drive the van due, to the drag from the, any energy made by the turbine?

If so can you get mini camping turbines?

Thanks,
Martin.
Thanks for all your replies, they are great!

The plan is to use the turbine to charge a separate battery, not the actual one used to start the car. The second battery will then be used for music, laptop and other small electrical appliances.

I saw a guy on the UK version of Dragons Den who had a mini turbine but I was thinking that someone else must have done it already!

If anyone knows of any websites that sell them then that would be a great help too!

I look forward to your replies, thank you all so much!

Martin.

make the thrust go through a tunnel far enough away from the generating turbines to keep them safe from burning up use the wasted part of the thrust to get electricity each time a cargo rocket ,probe or shuttle takes off . prob run the state of NY for a month geared right ! We have put a man on the moon you know ,surely we can use whats already gonna be there anyway.

how many wind turbines to power a house?

There are small 3 to 4kw turbines available. How many are needed to power avg house?

I recall the unintended consequences of forced use of ethanol (more toxic than regular gasoline) and the ban on DDT, the latter of which resulted in the loss of millions of lives lost to malaria. Wouldn't it be prudent to avoid such disasters? [below are excerpts. Please see link for entire article]

Can large wind farms tweak weather downwind?

By Peter N. Spotts | 06.24.09

A battle over a wind farm in our backyard – off the island of Martha’s Vineyard – has shown that folks can raise a host of objections over unintended consequences, real or imagined.
They’ve included hazards to boaters, hazards to endangered migratory birds, hazards to aircraft flying between the Vineyard and the mainland, and of course, hazards to the property value of big-buck homes with scenic views of Nantucket Sound. Oh yes, one can’t forget the installation of transmission lines to link the turbines to the utility grid. And that’s just for one relatively small wind farm.
Now researchers are looking at another potential “unintended consequence” – the likelihood that collectively, groups of large wind farms in one region could alter weather patterns downwind of the turbines in another region.
So far, evidence suggests that large collections of wind farms could have small but measurable effects on atmospheric circulation patterns, cloudiness, and temperatures over substantial distances.
……. if the whole Midwest “is somewhat roughened over a large area, then you could imagine having a large-scale impact on the atmosphere.”
…….. he and his colleagues are trying to refine their estimates with an eye toward wind farms of the future – “how to design wind farms in ways that make them innocuous,” he says.
At first blush, the thought of vast collections of wind farms affecting weather patterns seems a bit far-fetched. But scientists have long studied the effects that changes in the roughness of Earth’s surface can have on low-level wind patterns. And large, regional collections of wind turbines would rough up the surface. In effect, it’s like planting very tall trees (roughly 300 feet high).
Last year, Mr. Kirk-Davidoff and a colleague, took a more detailed look to figure out how and why the climate changed. They found that the presence of rougher landscape over large areas introduced “appreciable” changes in wind, temperature, and cloudiness.
At the moment, Kirk-Davidoff acknowledges, the work is “pretty speculative.” Real-world measurements of wind farms’ effect on wind patterns are few and far between. In 2005, scientists in Europe published a study of the effects that large off-shore wind farms had on wind patterns, using satellite-based radar. But no one so far has built collections of wind farms on continental scales.
Yet “the possibility of relying heavily on wind power is not unreasonable,” he says – especially in light of wind-energy’s potential as outlined in the paper from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
For Kirk-Davidoff, his work involves examining potential unintended consequences – at least the ones people can think up – “as the technology ramps up, so hopefully we don’t get into really surprising consequences before we have a chance to realize what they might be.”

http://features.csmonitor.com/environment/2009/06/24/can-large-wind-farms-tweak-weather-downwind/

Paul... you are absolutely wrong!..
"Finkel writes that Robert Gwadz, a malaria specialist at the US National Institutes of Health, says the worldwide ban on DDT that eventually followed the 1962 publication of Rachel Carson's Silent Spring, which condemned use of the chemical, "may have killed 20 million children." The quote by Gwadz does not include the huge number of adults that have also died since "DDT become nearly impossible to procure" because "the chemical was outlawed by most of the world for agricultural use".

The deaths caused by malaria, however, are only the beginning of the problems caused by the disease. A far greater number of the continent's people are regularly afflicted by malaria, which often causes life-l

How come Democrats hate renewable energy?

Such as in Massachusetts where I live, we couldnt get wint turbines because it would ruin Kennedy's view of the ocean. And we only got solar panels on the highways when Romney was governor.

Could you spin these if air is forced in these directions (up or down)? I am thinking of say a pipe with a series of small turbines in line. Restricting air after each one to produce greater speed of air to the next. I would also like to cut out part of the pipe next to them to bring in wind energy if that's even possible to spin them inside the pipe. Would these just oppose each other, any idea if it would work and create more rpms? Sorry, I'm just an architecture student so I lack the knowledge for this unless I make models to test it, don't want to waste my time if someone knows. I have worked on aircraft engines before so I have that knowledge of compressors, just not how the forces would move in this idea.... Thanks for any help. Here is a turbine for an example.

http://www.tangarie.com/files/specs/Master_GALE%20_1_08_24_09.pdf

Not sure what you mean. I do not know how air moves across these. Does it just push on the wind side and leave the turbine in a straight line once it rotates to the other side? Or does it push against it and follow the curved paths up or down?

They could have them out in the Gulf of Mexico, instead of the oil platforms that they have now.
@lenny

I guess it could be a 2,000 feet structure with numerous turbines or something.
@lenny

I guess it could be a 2,000 feet structure with numerous turbines or something.

farms. I've looked for the proper name and I can't find it. These turbines would sit in your backyard horizontally. I would love to get one to power my house but with these current economical times I can't quite afford it.

Can I have a wind farm in my front yard? Solar?
How about coal driven turbines in my back yard?
Can I have a razor wire chain-link fence up against the sidewalk to guard it?
Do I get any money if I put electricity out into the grid?
Oh and it's all in an urban environment.

It's one of the cheapest and cleanest forms of power generation but very few groups are willing to invest.
Scottsdale and Tat: I'm glad the areas in which you live are receptive to the turbines.
Jon: I don't know where you live, but here in Missouri the wind blows day or night.

Wind and Solar power generation……?

A simple question, hopefully with a simple answer.

I need to generate 10,000,000kWh per year via wind and solar power.
With 8760 hours in the year, please presume 2500 full hours of good wind.
How many turbines do I need and of what rating? What is the most efficient set up?
At peak operation I need to generate a minimum of 370,000 kWh per month.
For the solar power I have 10,000 metre2 of available space.

The numbers may look big, but they are all correct, this is a serious question.

Thanks in advance.

If any of you work for a wind turbine/solar panel manufacturer/installer and want to discuss this, please email me your professional email address and I will contact you via that.

Does Duke Energy buy back wind power in Ohio?

I think they buy solar power (if you generate a ton) but I was wondering if they bought back wind? I was thinking about making some homemade turbines for a winter project.

What should be taken into consideration when developing a wind farm in a body of water (versus on land)? Are there any challenges that won't crop up with land-based turbines?

other than solar panels and turbines, what are other energy sources? what are the pros and cons to it? THANKS AND 10 POINTS FOR BEST ANSWER I SWEAR
also, what are the pros and cons to turbines?

I'm talking about the items needed and the required quantiy (height of the turbines, surface of the panels...)

Wind energy has little opposition except for those who claim visual pollution from the turbines and transmission lines and from others who cite loss of habitat and/or wildlife casualties as a concern.
List a concern (there are others) and a possible solution.

What is the average ROI for Wind Farms?

I was curious how profitable a wind farm may actually be in comparison to coal. What is the pay back period, maintenance costs, etc. Assume ideal wind conditions, 30 year life, and industrial size turbines. Also, what is the most efficient spacing? I read somewhere it's 1km.

Thanks :-)

What kind of energy can wind energy replace?

What kind of energy that is harmful to the environment can be replaced by the energy from turbines?
Energy from coal? petrol? natural gas?
thanks

How do wind power windmills work?

I understand the turbines, what I don't understand is the wind can carry just three blades that look very thin. Why not make very thick blades, and lots of them? Old windmills had three blades (I have no idea why), but they had must thicker blades.
*much thicker

As a geography major, I've done extensive research on alternative energy. I have a new idea called "rain power." I think we should instill rooftop generators incorporated into rainwater collection. Rain falls diagonally rather than straight. Therefore, the terminal velocity from the raindrops could spin these turbines and generate electricity. Monsoon Season in Asia would be fantastic for producing it. The same is true regarding hurricane season in the Gulf Coast and rainy season in the Pacific Northwest. What do you think? Do we have the brain power to harness rain power?

  
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